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bruspeed · 2006-04-04, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Only to your new sig.

quoted, because, Damn Brian, Damn.

cody · 2006-04-04, 07:31 AM

I want to race for Elisha Cuthbert.

bruspeed · 2006-04-04, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cody

I want to race for Elisha Cuthbert.

uhh, yeah bro.

cody · 2006-04-04, 07:54 AM

I like the first google image.

Dean · 2006-04-04, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

Any objections?

Reminder, Car numbers and class letters must be the same font...

Bob Danger · 2006-04-04, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dean

Reminder, Car numbers and class letters must be the same font...

Burn!

A1337STI · 2006-04-04, 08:26 PM

I'm so glad to be reading that now, before i do anything crazy with my Magnetic sheet . i figure i can just cut out all white numbers /Letters since my car is blue. white class numbers/letters on a blue car 10" Numbers and 5" Letters . Is there a Limit to how long our class numbers can be ? 2 digits ? 3 ? 4 ?

Kevin M · 2006-04-04, 09:08 PM

Pick a 2 digit number, and add in a 1 for each side. It's easiest for T&S to have, say, 125 and 25 running in a car.

NevadaSTi · 2006-04-04, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Only to your new sig.

Whats wrong with my new sig?

Thats my new numbers for this season. I got the sign shop up here to email me a jpg image of it.

NevadaSTi · 2006-04-04, 09:12 PM

Why do the numbers have to be in the same fount?

tysonK · 2006-04-04, 09:29 PM

Look MattR was a Novice once....see the N!

http://www.seccs.org/gallery/index.p...%20leaning.jpg

Dean · 2006-04-05, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

Why do the numbers have to be in the same fount?

RTFRB!

I don't mean to be an ass, but if you aren't willing to read the rule book, run novice, and we will give you "pretty" paper numbers you can stick on your windows for free...

This is part of the main reason why Novice exists... If you want to run in a scored class, you need to spend the energy to read the rule book. This includes sections other than those specific to your class. There is all sorts of good stuff on safety, event operations, etc... including car number and class letter requirments.

Sorry, it is 6am and I am in NJ. That is all.

MattR · 2006-04-05, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by tysonK

Look MattR was a Novice once....see the N!

http://www.seccs.org/gallery/index.p...%20leaning.jpg

Well, I was a novice once, but it was before we had the Novice program. That N on my car was for Street Tire. Rememeber...Street tire only changed to a T recently.

bruspeed · 2006-04-05, 06:53 AM

Since this thread was already here, I figured I'd use it. Here is my question, If I were to prepare my RS according to STX rules, would I be allowed to run in DSP still? The way I interpret the rules, is that you can run an ST car in SP, but not the other way around. the reason that I ask is brakes. My car is woefully under braked, But before I do anything drastic, I figured I'd find out for sure form everybody else. I will not be buying brakes just so they can bump me into TSM, they're not gonna make up the 5 second deficit Matt left me with last weekend

Thanks, Chris.

MPREZIV · 2006-04-05, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

RTFRB!

I don't mean to be an ass, but if you aren't willing to read the rule book, run novice, and we will give you "pretty" paper numbers you can stick on your windows for free...

This is part of the main reason why Novice exists... If you want to run in a scored class, you need to spend the energy to read the rule book. This includes sections other than those specific to your class. There is all sorts of good stuff on safety, event operations, etc... including car number and class letter requirments.

Sorry, it is 6am and I am in NJ. That is all.

I would like to say, in view of Dean's slight loss of patience, that all of us NOOBs are REALLY appreciative of all the help we've gotten. I know all the vets around here must get tired of being bombarded with auto-x questions come the middle of March, and I just wanted to say that we are lucky to have someone to answer them in the first place!

Kevin M · 2006-04-05, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bruspeed

Since this thread was already here, I figured I'd use it. Here is my question, If I were to prepare my RS according to STX rules, would I be allowed to run in DSP still? The way I interpret the rules, is that you can run an ST car in SP, but not the other way around. the reason that I ask is brakes. My car is woefully under braked, But before I do anything drastic, I figured I'd find out for sure form everybody else. I will not be buying brakes just so they can bump me into TSM, they're not gonna make up the 5 second deficit Matt left me with last weekend

Thanks, Chris.

IBDeansaysRTFRBagain.

tysonK · 2006-04-05, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MattR

Well, I was a novice once, but it was before we had the Novice program. That N on my car was for Street Tire. Rememeber...Street tire only changed to a T recently.

all my sarcasm was lost there.

bruspeed · 2006-04-05, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

IBDeansaysRTFRBagain.

But that is just our interpretation of the rules, I wanna know everyone else's.

Kevin M · 2006-04-05, 08:40 AM

14.11.A says- The STX class expands the vehicle eligibility limits beyond those specified for STS, and adds a limited number of allowed modifications. These allowances are as follwos:

14.11.A.1 All allowances in STS carry over, including street tires, emmissions, etc.

14.11.A.3 Engine size allowance: up to 5.1 liters, Normally Aspirated, and 2.0 liters, forced induction.

14.11.A.7 Brake rotors may be replaced with any rotor of equal or larger diameter made from a ferrous or aluminum alloy. Calipers are unrestricted, but must mount to the original mounting points.

And the first page of the section 15 (Street Prepared), paragraph 5 says- Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Street Touring (ST) class rules are permitted to compete in their respective Street Prepared classes, with the additional allowance that they may use any tire which meets the requirements of 15.3 and fits on the ST-legal wheels and within the ST-legal bodywork.

Dean · 2006-04-05, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bruspeed

Since this thread was already here, I figured I'd use it. Here is my question, If I were to prepare my RS according to STX rules, would I be allowed to run in DSP still? The way I interpret the rules, is that you can run an ST car in SP, but not the other way around. the reason that I ask is brakes. My car is woefully under braked, But before I do anything drastic, I figured I'd find out for sure form everybody else. I will not be buying brakes just so they can bump me into TSM, they're not gonna make up the 5 second deficit Matt left me with last weekend

Thanks, Chris.

You read correctly, and thank you for reading... I would never say RTFRB to someone who clearly has, so there Kevin.

The gotcha is you can only use one or the other set of preparation rules. The only allowance for running a ST? car in SP is tires. The car must otherwise fully comply with ST rules. So unless you plan to run Hoosers, or Khumos, don't bother, just run ST?.

Kevin M · 2006-04-05, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

So unless you plan to run Hoosers, or Khumos, don't bother, just run ST?.

The issue is that he wants to run bigger brakes, which means STX or SM, neither of which would allow him to be competitive. This way he can upgrade his brakes and still compete against other NA Subies directly.

bruspeed · 2006-04-05, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

The issue is that he wants to run bigger brakes, which means STX or SM, neither of which would allow him to be competitive. This way he can upgrade his brakes and still compete against other NA Subies directly.

Exactly.

Dean · 2006-04-05, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

The issue is that he wants to run bigger brakes, which means STX or SM, neither of which would allow him to be competitive. This way he can upgrade his brakes and still compete against other NA Subies directly.

My point is that unless you are running race rubber which is the reason for this rule, you may be stretching things to try and run TDSP using the STX rules...

Using the basic Stock, and SP and ST rules theory: Unless it specifically says you can, you can't... Our T class rules do not allow for ST prepared cars to run under there SP class on Street Tires...

So if he wants to run on street tires in DSP at .829, he is welcome to. But STX at .804 is better...

dknv · 2006-04-05, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean

So if he wants to run on street tires in DSP at .829, he is welcome to. But STX at .804 is better...

(If pax is important to him (and if no race tired cars are in DSP)) else (chance to win DSP class title).
I'd make a lousy programmer I know.

MikeK · 2006-04-05, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dknv

I'd make a lousy programmer I know.

Can you browse the web all day while Scott and Nick do 10 hour days?

2006-04-04, 08:26 PM	#207
A1337STI EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,840 Car: Impreza and an Impreza Class: AS / CRS PerfStock "pedal on the right"	I'm so glad to be reading that now, before i do anything crazy with my Magnetic sheet . i figure i can just cut out all white numbers /Letters since my car is blue. white class numbers/letters on a blue car 10" Numbers and 5" Letters . Is there a Limit to how long our class numbers can be ? 2 digits ? 3 ? 4 ? __________________ Fighting uphill battles, one bullet at a time! Last edited by A1337STI; 2006-04-04 at 08:29 PM.

2006-04-04, 09:08 PM	#208
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Pick a 2 digit number, and add in a 1 for each side. It's easiest for T&S to have, say, 125 and 25 running in a car. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-04-04, 09:12 PM	#210
NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	Why do the numbers have to be in the same fount? __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-04-04, 09:29 PM	#211
tysonK warehouse SECCS Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SoCal... Posts: 6,253 Car: 04 Evo 99 Cadillac Class: street de le mod	Look MattR was a Novice once....see the N! http://www.seccs.org/gallery/index.p...%20leaning.jpg __________________ Anjali? Anjali?

2006-04-05, 06:53 AM	#214
bruspeed EJ251 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sparks Posts: 526 Car: 2005 2.5 rs cgm Class: TDSP	Since this thread was already here, I figured I'd use it. Here is my question, If I were to prepare my RS according to STX rules, would I be allowed to run in DSP still? The way I interpret the rules, is that you can run an ST car in SP, but not the other way around. the reason that I ask is brakes. My car is woefully under braked, But before I do anything drastic, I figured I'd find out for sure form everybody else. I will not be buying brakes just so they can bump me into TSM, they're not gonna make up the 5 second deficit Matt left me with last weekend Thanks, Chris. __________________ Can anybody fly this thing?

2006-04-04, 07:31 AM	#202
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I want to race for Elisha Cuthbert.

2006-04-04, 07:54 AM	#204
cody Candy Mountain Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005 Location: Californication Posts: 7,751 Car: 03 Pussy Wagon, now with more pink! Class: TESP OMG Internet!	I like the first google image.

2006-04-05, 08:40 AM	#219
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	14.11.A says- The STX class expands the vehicle eligibility limits beyond those specified for STS, and adds a limited number of allowed modifications. These allowances are as follwos: 14.11.A.1 All allowances in STS carry over, including street tires, emmissions, etc. 14.11.A.3 Engine size allowance: up to 5.1 liters, Normally Aspirated, and 2.0 liters, forced induction. 14.11.A.7 Brake rotors may be replaced with any rotor of equal or larger diameter made from a ferrous or aluminum alloy. Calipers are unrestricted, but must mount to the original mounting points. And the first page of the section 15 (Street Prepared), paragraph 5 says- Cars listed as eligible in and prepared to the current national Street Touring (ST) class rules are permitted to compete in their respective Street Prepared classes, with the additional allowance that they may use any tire which meets the requirements of 15.3 and fits on the ST-legal wheels and within the ST-legal bodywork. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

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