What is New Era? Not the hats...

[sperry]

Originally Posted by ArthurS

Whoa. Props to the fast rescue. That would have been a scary sight to see.

Yeah, I was on track... they red flagged the session and as soon as the cars on course were stopped they were out to the guy.

And since the track only has an old school wrecker instead of a flat-bed, I ended up driving my truck up to the top of the hill to pick up the car on my trailer so he didn't ruin the center diff towing it on 2 wheels. The poor car knocked the oil filter off on the rocks so there was a mess of oil under the car, plus the burned plastic bits, some scorching on the passenger door, smoke in the cabin, a blown tire, and the radiator support looks like there was a minor downward bend from the bumper's impact w/ the ground. Not a pretty sight, but I don't think the car's anywhere near totaled.

[left footed whooten]

Originally Posted by sperry

When was the last time a "well planned" street race had emergency workers on standby?

Saturday at the track a WRX wagon went off course due to a brake failure. Kid plowed through 100 feet of runnoff and ended up in the weeds, which caught fire due to the hot headers under the car. The course worker was at the car in seconds with a fire extinguisher, and the fire truck was at the scene in about a minute or two and prevented the car from buring to the ground. And since the driver was wearing a helmet, he was awake when the car caught fire and able to get out quickly.

If that brake failure had happened at a street race, you'd be reading another post about someone burning to death.

Tell me again how well planned street races are.

Thanks guys. I knew I wasn't the only one to feel this way. I'm an asshole, but not because I don't like street racing or generalize too much. There is no safe way to partake in street racing. Period.

[M3n2c3]

Agreed. "Smart street-racing" is an oxymoron.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

The illegal part. And the risking someone else's life part. I'm sure the guys in the affore mentioned accident FULLY believed that they were being "smart" about street racing, and that they were on a "deserted" street... until someone pulled out in front of them.

Half these retards don't think about what they're doing. I have seen in person more than my share of asshats racing without regard to their safety or anyone else's.

[WRXRallyBlue]

I swear I'm not contradicting myself:

How often have you guys raced up the onramp as fast as you could? Or raced a friend at a stoplight? Or did some canyon carving up a moutain road? I know I've done it. It's unfair to condemn anyone who drives fast on a public road.

People get hurt and die on monitored race tracks and no one cries out for them to stop racing. Granted that's a bit different but my point remains valid. Think about it.

[tysonK]

There are a lot of threads on this. it's been covered.

meh.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

I swear I'm not contradicting myself:

How often have you guys raced up the onramp as fast as you could? Or raced a friend at a stoplight? Or did some canyon carving up a moutain road? I know I've done it. It's unfair to condemn anyone who drives fast on a public road.

People get hurt and die on monitored race tracks and no one cries out for them to stop racing. Granted that's a bit different but my point remains valid. Think about it.

Explain to me what my (supposed) actions have to do with anyone elses? If I do, or if I don't, doesn't legitimize street racing in any way, shape or form. If I take off from a street light quickly, it doesn't magically make street racing okay. Even if I accelerate quickly up an on ramp, it still doesn't make a street race safe or legal.

So, please tell me exactly how anyone's actions on the street make asshat street racers less asshat-ey?

[Dean]

It's not about legality, it is about risk to yourself, and more importantly others.

Weaving through traffic at 20+ MPH over the flow of traffic, or racing down a public road with uncontrolled intersections and unprotected spectators and little or no safety equipment in the car, is infinitely more risky than any minor traffic infraction you mentioned.

It is the people who don't understand that risk or believe they are in control of it that are a danger to themselves, and more importantly, others...

That is why street racing is bad, the people who believe it isn't...

That is all.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by Dean

It's not about legality, it is about risk to yourself, and more importantly others.

Weaving through traffic at 20+ MPH over the flow of traffic, or racing down a public road with uncontrolled intersections and unprotected spectators and little or no safety equipment in the car, is infinitely more risky than any minor traffic infraction you mentioned.

It is the people who don't understand that risk or believe they are in control of it that are a danger to themselves, and more importantly, others...

That is why street racing is bad, the people who believe it isn't...

That is all.

What Dean said. Anyone who thinks street racing can be "safe" simply hasn't ever gone fast enough and had a "moment" to learn to respect the risk you're taking at speed. It happens in an instant... one second you're in full control, and before you realize it you're suddenly wondering "how am I going to get out of this?"

On the track, the consequences of these moments are mitigated as much as possible... saftey equiptment in the car, rescue workers, run-off space, and nothing out there to surprise you like a CRX crossing the street. And *still*, people die at the racetrack. I can't for the life of me why people think the street can be at all worth the risk. Boneheads.

[tysonK]

street racing, banging chicks without rubbers......

[doubleurx]

If you condone or defend street racing in any sort of way, you do not belong on this site.

get your ducks in a row!

[Bob Danger]

Originally Posted by doubleurx

If you condone or defend street racing in any sort of way, you do not belong on this site.

get your ducks in a row!

Hey now, that’s not really fair. This forum is for Subaru Enthusiasts, not Anti Street Racing Enthusiasts. Just because someone has a different opinion than you, or most of us, in an off topic thread is reason to say they don't belong here; he is Subaru enthusiasts after all. Street racing has been around for along time, and its not going anywhere, there is nothing we can do about it other than destroying every car in the world. Sure the kids have gotten dumber, but in time they will either give up racing or discover the wonderful world of track racing, So instead of trying to stop street racing in the present, we should stop it in the future by educating the youth of tomorrow.

[Duckie]

Just because I defend street racing (in a very limited form) doesn't mean I am who you may think I am. Just because someone is a supporter of communism doesnt mean he is a communist. Just because...errr you get the idea. I like subarus, mainly on curvy tracks...i don't really even care about straight line-ness but that is neither here nor there. Don't judge me for what I believe in, judge me for my character and my actions. <3 seccs.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by Bob Danger

Hey now, that’s not really fair. This forum is for Subaru Enthusiasts, not Anti Street Racing Enthusiasts. ... we should stop it in the future by educating the youth of tomorrow.

Actually Bob, this is very much an "anti-street racing enthusiasts" site. Read Scott's message on the front page; part of Seccs' "mission statement" is to encourage people to take it to the track or autocross course. And the "education" to help prevent future street racers will not be well supported if we are preaching against it on the one hand and condoning it (through assention of others' participation) on the other. Street racing has no business on the streets and even less here on this forum.

[sp00ln]

You guys shouldn't even argue about it: to each his own. Yay, one person *finally* died in what what, 5 years that we've been arguing about it? People do die at the track too. Let it go, remorse for the kid, or you will be nothing more than that bitch who sued everyone for her husband dieing at the tack.. Whenever you involve high speeds, racing, and motor vehicles accidents are bound to happen. And all people dont think the same way, no matter what you guys say, and how much you guys bitch, it wont stop people from street racing if they want to street race, and me from meeting up with Mike and pounding his evo a couple of times!!

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by Duckie

Just because I defend street racing (in a very limited form) doesn't mean I am who you may think I am. Just because someone is a supporter of communism doesnt mean he is a communist. Just because...errr you get the idea. I like subarus, mainly on curvy tracks...i don't really even care about straight line-ness but that is neither here nor there. Don't judge me for what I believe in, judge me for my character and my actions. <3 seccs.

Hate to break it to you duck, but street racing *is* an action to judge you on You can't claim to be above criticism just by saying "You don't know me" when you do act on impulses like street racing (or even just defending it, and not competitng).

[khail19]

Originally Posted by sp00ln

Yay, one person *finally* died in what what, 5 years that we've been arguing about it?

Maybe one person locally, I'm sure street racers all over have done their share of killing people in the last 5 years.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by sp00ln

You guys shouldn't even argue about it: to each his own. Yay, one person *finally* died in what what, 5 years that we've been arguing about it? People do die at the track too. Let it go, remorse for the kid, or you will be nothing more than that bitch who sued everyone for her husband dieing at the tack.. Whenever you involve high speeds, racing, and motor vehicles accidents are bound to happen. And all people dont think the same way, no matter what you guys say, and how much you guys bitch, it wont stop people from street racing if they want to street race, and me from meeting up with Mike and pounding his evo a couple of times!!

As far as I know, no one has died at Reno-Fernley. So, that still makes Street Racing -1, Track Racing 0. Unless of course, you want to move to a broader scale and start including parts of California.

Yeah, I'll agree that all motorsports has its share of danger and high potential for accidents, but just cause some guy died at a track 10 hours away from here, doesn't make street racing any safer. His dead body doesn't magically prevent accidential cross traffic from crossing a street race.

Sure, I don't expect people to stop completely due to my bitching, but that doesn't stop them from being idiots and/or morons.

[JonnydaJibba]

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1K1:1347...fid=ency_botnm

+3 street racing deaths

http://www.fradical.com/Need_for_Speed_death1.htm

+1 street racing death

http://www.news10.net/storyfull2.aspx?storyid=15779

+1 street racing death

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new..._dies_in_.html

+2 street racing deaths

+1 street racing death for the link to the forum Matt posted.

That's 8 so far in 2006, and that's only 3/4 of the first page of a google search.

I'm in no way exempting myself from driving fast occasionally, but driving fast and racing somebody on the street are 2 different things. I mean shit, we are car enthusiasts! It's a given that our cars get driven fast sometimes, esp since a lot of us (not me) have turbo'd cars.

I dunno, I guess there isn't much that we can do besides bitch, but at least it makes me feel better.

[doubleurx]

Originally Posted by Bob Danger

Hey now, that’s not really fair. This forum is for Subaru Enthusiasts, not Anti Street Racing Enthusiasts. Just because someone has a different opinion than you, or most of us, in an off topic thread is reason to say they don't belong here; he is Subaru enthusiasts after all. Street racing has been around for along time, and its not going anywhere, there is nothing we can do about it other than destroying every car in the world. Sure the kids have gotten dumber, but in time they will either give up racing or discover the wonderful world of track racing, So instead of trying to stop street racing in the present, we should stop it in the future by educating the youth of tomorrow.

Sorry, but we have discussed this at length, and the people that started this site have always been vocal about the negative impact street racing has on a community. It is wrong, illegal and results in many innocent deaths every year. It is the sole reason that California is having a statewide "crackdown" on street racing and pulling over modded cars. Nevada will not be far behind if it continues to be a problem.

My apologies for being such a Nazi about it - you should see me in front of my house when my kids are playing and some moron drives by at 50mph in a 25 mph zone.

A car enthusiast to me is someone who enjoys their vehicles in venues that are safe...........and even involve a turn or two. I personally do believe that if you defend, condone or partake in street racing you do not belong in this club. All that does is taint the image of our group.

[sperry]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Actually Bob, this is very much an "anti-street racing enthusiasts" site. Read Scott's message on the front page; part of Seccs' "mission statement" is to encourage people to take it to the track or autocross course. And the "education" to help prevent future street racers will not be well supported if we are preaching against it on the one hand and condoning it (through assention of others' participation) on the other. Street racing has no business on the streets and even less here on this forum.

While Kevin's right about the "official" stance of this board, I certainly don't want to imply that the discussion is off limits. I'd like people to feel free to support what they believe in. Just expect to take some serious heat from most of the members here, as most of us are extremely anti-street racing.

What I don't want to see on this board is discussion about specific upcoming street races. This site is not a resource for illegal activity. Nor do I want to see personal attacks and unconstructive bickering.

But like religion and politics... street racing is not one of those topics that you can change someone else's opinion on very easily. Let's not let the conversation degenerate too far.

That said... I just can't understand the attraction to street racing. 1st, most street racing is straight line racing, no? So that's part of it, since I don't care about dragging to begin with. But second, I don't understand why doing it illegally adds anything to the thrill. If you're gonna spend $1000's on moding the car to street race it, don't you have a few bucks to take it to the strip? It's not like drag racing at the track is expensive. IVM runs grudge races once a month at RFR for $30 for a full night. Autocross (which actually compares driver skill in a meaningful way) is $25/day, and there's 16 events in a season. Time trials and track days are of course more expensive, but when compared to the amount of money people spend on their cars, it's still cheap... and honestly, track time is the most effective "mod" for making a driver faster.

Please tell me that gambling on the races isn't the only reason people street race.

[DARKSTI]

I dont street race anymore(for about 1 1/2 years now[this was when I had my Cobra])...but when I did it, I did it because:
1.I dont feel like wasting gas driving to Fernley and maybe only getting 1 or 2 runs in.
2.I wanted to see if my new mods made any difference.
3.The track wasnt open in the first place.

I dont agree with street racing anymore, and I wont street race anymore either, so dont think I am arguing for it. I am just stating what I heard from my friends at the time. The closest I come now to street racing I will admit is having a little fun going up Mt.Rose,V.city,Monitor pass etc.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by nKoan

So, please tell me exactly how anyone's actions on the street make asshat street racers less asshat-ey?

It doesn't. But it is hypocritical to partake in that kind of driving and then bitch when someone else does it "safely".

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

It doesn't. But it is hypocritical to partake in that kind of driving and then bitch when someone else does it "safely".

Negative. It's hypocritical for a street racer to complain about street racing. What you're saying is the same as suggesting that someone who stares at a hot woman shouldn't complain about someone else raping her.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

It doesn't. But it is hypocritical to partake in that kind of driving and then bitch when someone else does it "safely".

Sure, thats my point. It might make me a hyprocrite, but it doesn't make me wrong. Anyway, it is a moot point, anyway since I don't partake in what you'd like to believe I do. I just wanted to point out that no one is perfect, and the hyprocracy of the speaker doesn't negate the truth of their statements. Hence, even if I did partake, I would still be correct in stating that its stupid.