What is New Era? Not the hats...

[JonnydaJibba]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

It doesn't. But it is hypocritical to partake in that kind of driving and then bitch when someone else does it "safely".

Street racing is super safe.

[Kevin M]

By the way, here is the last major thread on the subject, I think. It would save most of the long-time members here the bother of typing out repetitive responses when we can just cut an dpaste.

[MikeK]

Obviously people are never going to agree, so there is only one way to settle this once and for all ... street race!

[Kevin M]

Winner does donuts on the losers' souls?

[JonnydaJibba]

Originally Posted by Duckie

New era are not street racers for your information.

Duckie you seem to be the best person to ask I guess... But they are a club? Are they sponsored by a company called New Era? Or is it just a loosely tied together group of guys that put NEW ERA on the side of their cars in vinyl?

[left footed whooten]

Originally Posted by MikeK

Obviously people are never going to agree, so there is only one way to settle this once and for all ... street race!

LESS FILLING!!!!!!!!






TASTES GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

[NevadaSTi]

I can't believe that I just wasted a half an hour reading through this thread.

Remember, our fathers and uncles most likely grew up racing 57 Chevy's and other performance cars of the era. Does it make it right, nope.

Hell, my uncle told me at the time he was growing up (late 60's) that the local sheriff's deputies would come out and race all the street racers. Plus, the sheriff's cars were always faster then the local cars. My uncle told me that they all got beat by the cop cars, then the deputies would point out that it would be useless for them to run from him if he pulled them over in town. My uncle tried it once, it didn't work.

Street racers is also how the professional drag racing scene started back in the late 50's. So, I guess some good stuff came from street racing. As I recall, the founders of IHRA got sick and tired of getting busted by the local police for racing their vehicles on public streets.

[MattR]

Laws are ruining street racing.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by MattR

Laws are ruining street racing.

/thread

[dknv]

Originally Posted by NevadaSTi

.., my uncle told me at the time he was growing up (late 60's) that the local sheriff's deputies would come out and race all the street racers. Plus, the sheriff's cars were always faster then the local cars. My uncle told me that they all got beat by the cop cars, then the deputies would point out that it would be useless for them to run from him if he pulled them over in town. My uncle tried it once, it didn't work....

San Diego Sheriff's department sanctions a program for legal street races -- here's their vehicle: http://www.racelegal.com/site/sheriff.htm

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

Negative. It's hypocritical for a street racer to complain about street racing. What you're saying is the same as suggesting that someone who stares at a hot woman shouldn't complain about someone else raping her.

Staring at a hot woman isn't illegal That isn't the same.

[sybir]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

Staring at a hot woman isn't illegal That isn't the same.

Try doing it at work, with someone who isn't a friend, and be unapologetic about it. Harassment, civil suit, etc. Everything is degrees.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by sybir

Try doing it at work, with someone who isn't a friend, and be unapologetic about it. Harassment, civil suit, etc. Everything is degrees.

Gimme a break, you bastard!!

[sybir]

Look here, fucker!


*runs away*

Can't we all just agree that street racing, in its primary definition (a bunch of jackasses running on public streets) is illegal, dangerous, and sophomoric at best. Like Nick keeps saying, being hypocritical doesn't change an argument. I may speed, I may go around corners fast, but I'm always alone. It's never a contest with another person; that ego, that focus on "winning" is what kills innocent people. If I'm a hypocrite, I can live with that, but I won't stand for someone trying to justify some moronic late-night dick-swinging that kills people on a regular basis by comparing it to me rolling along with traffic at 10 over.

And yeah, California is bad (that's one of the reasons I love my wagon, it slips under the radar with all the import profiling) but other places are following. As much as it sucks, administrations have to get funded somehow, and streetracing task forces are an easy way to get a ready-made budget hike. We all pay the price because some failed abortion rams his "race car" into an innocent family pulling into an intersection. We get profiled (at least in CA) becuase these wastes of air associate themselves with us, even if we want nothing to do with them.

[WRXRallyBlue]

Originally Posted by sybir

Can't we all just agree that street racing, in its primary definition (a bunch of jackasses running on public streets) is illegal, dangerous, and sophomoric at best. Like Nick keeps saying, being hypocritical doesn't change an argument. I may speed, I may go around corners fast, but I'm always alone. It's never a contest with another person; that ego, that focus on "winning" is what kills innocent people. If I'm a hypocrite, I can live with that, but I won't stand for someone trying to justify some moronic late-night dick-swinging that kills people on a regular basis by comparing it to me rolling along with traffic at 10 over.

And yeah, California is bad (that's one of the reasons I love my wagon, it slips under the radar with all the import profiling) but other places are following. As much as it sucks, administrations have to get funded somehow, and streetracing task forces are an easy way to get a ready-made budget hike. We all pay the price because some failed abortion rams his "race car" into an innocent family pulling into an intersection. We get profiled (at least in CA) becuase these wastes of air associate themselves with us, even if we want nothing to do with them.

I agree with you. And I see the jackass degenerates flying around town and I stare down my nose at them the same way any of you do.

My problem is that there isn't much (if any) separation thus far in this argument in regard to i.e. racing your friend at a stoplight - which I'm sure most of us do or have done. You're being safe, if you catch up to traffic you slow down, you don't take turns at 25 mph faster than you're capable. You're within your limits.

You can be safe, with enough intelligence and restraint. That's basically all I'm trying to get across.

[JonnydaJibba]

Welp sugartits, let's call it an afternoon.

[Duckie]

New era is a local club. A fairly large one and they are mostly show cars. If the founder of the club finds out you street raced you are OUT OF THE CLUB so it amazes me how many of you will come here and bash on them calling them the stupid street racers. That would be like a caop arresting you because you were performance enthusiast and thus must brake the speed limit on the streets. Some of them autocross but most drag race.

To clear some things up about streetracing and me:

1. I am not a street racer and just because I condone it in SOME forms does not mean I am one
2. I never tell someone to go streetrace I tell them to go to the track
3. When I do end up down at the races to see one of my friends, I usually end up yelling at multiple people for their douchebaggery within the parking lot that they choose to meet in.
4. I support the cops trying to stop street racing and wish for them to provide something slightly more viable for lazy people. California hit it on the head here.
5. I have friends who street race, just like you have friends who do illegal things, this does not make them bad people.
6. I recognize that street racing is not going anywhere and I always support those who go about doing it in the safest way possible. Don't give me bullshit how there arent varying degrees of safety in a street race because THERE ARE. An amazing thing happens when you encourage people like this; most of them end up track only people. Most of the fast cars now run track only and it didnt used to be this way. This is largely do to the fact that some people on the "street racing site" promote saftey.


I wont post anymore on the subject because I think there really isnt anything to be discussed, its all been said a million times before.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by Duckie

New era is a local club. A fairly large one and they are mostly show cars. If the founder of the club finds out you street raced you are OUT OF THE CLUB so it amazes me how many of you will come here and bash on them calling them the stupid street racers. That would be like a caop arresting you because you were performance enthusiast and thus must brake the speed limit on the streets. Some of them autocross but most drag race.

Good to hear that the "official" club stance is as anti-street racing as us, if not more so. We don't ban people who we know street race. However, this thread got started, and then quickly built up, because many of us have witnessed street racing or related jackassery by cars flying New Are colors. We are in no way being unfair by labeling NEAC as a street racing crew, even though we might be wrong about many of its members.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by Duckie

New era is a local club. A fairly large one and they are mostly show cars. If the founder of the club finds out you street raced you are OUT OF THE CLUB so it amazes me how many of you will come here and bash on them calling them the stupid street racers. That would be like a caop arresting you because you were performance enthusiast and thus must brake the speed limit on the streets. Some of them autocross but most drag race.

Yeah, I think this a good point to bring up for everyone here. The discussion degenerated to a discussion about street racing and isn't tied in with New Era at all anymore. Everyone should keep that in mind. I've seen New Era cars around, but never doing anything even remotely stupid -- unless you want to count putting huge vinyl on your car (but at least that is a victimless crime)

[JonnydaJibba]

Originally Posted by Duckie

New era is a local club. A fairly large one and they are mostly show cars. If the founder of the club finds out you street raced you are OUT OF THE CLUB so it amazes me how many of you will come here and bash on them calling them the stupid street racers. That would be like a caop arresting you because you were performance enthusiast and thus must brake the speed limit on the streets. Some of them autocross but most drag race.

That's the funny part. Whether they participate in street racing or not, some of the bros I have seen drive like idiotas or rev on me. Not all of them. Actually I was driving somewheres yesterday and I passed one on the freeway. Only he was still retarded because he was doing 65 in the fast lane

[MPREZIV]

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

We are in no way being unfair by labeling NEAC as a street racing crew, even though we might be wrong about many of its members.

Just an FYI, in case you cared, NEAC was a "tuner shop" here in town, that was in NO WAY affiliated with this group. I know the former owner, and he was frankly kinda pissed that they bit his shop's name!

[Duckie]

Never said they were good drivers, I dont know any of them. What i DO know is their view on things. All though they go down to CC to show off their cars they never race or do burnouts in the lot, or crank their stereo to set off alarms. They put up with a lot of shit and are constantly being egged on to race yet they never do. That shows a great deal of conviction to put up with hundreds of people (yes that many goto CC) calling you fags for not racing. But its not enough that the street racers make fun of them, then you guys do too. It is just frustrating because none of you are angels on the road. You will tell me how you have track experience and driving school but that doesnt change things, by the law you guys drive outside safe limits and so do they. You are no different except they respect you and it seems the majority of you guys have nothing but disrespect for other clubs even when they go out of their way to be legal.

I am going to throw it up to the internet creating trash talking because I know all of you are good guys, I have met a bunch of you after all. Rather than bashing on them, next time give them a handout to a driving school, a flyer for a track day. Next time you see a street racer don't think to yourself "Wow what an asshole" think to yourself "I should let him know how cheap the track is". Offer to meet them down at the track, explain to them (nicely) how there is much less grip on the street and that even if they are driving perfect something could easily go wrong. Care about them because they are a human life instead of saying they are a waste of human life.

[Nick Koan]

Originally Posted by WRXRallyBlue

I agree with you. And I see the jackass degenerates flying around town and I stare down my nose at them the same way any of you do.

My problem is that there isn't much (if any) separation thus far in this argument in regard to i.e. racing your friend at a stoplight - which I'm sure most of us do or have done. You're being safe, if you catch up to traffic you slow down, you don't take turns at 25 mph faster than you're capable. You're within your limits.

You can be safe, with enough intelligence and restraint. That's basically all I'm trying to get across.

I think this is implied by the lot of us here, but there is a definite seperation that might need to be stated aloud for you and anyone else who might not visit regularly. The seperation comes from that moment when one of the two people gets it in their head that they can't lose and will do anything to win the "race". Then their judgement is compromised and they become a hazard to themselves, their friend(s), that little old lady crossing the street who just needed some milk and one egg from the supermarket and the little girl jumping rope on the street corner.

Now, that lack (or loss) of judgement can come at any time, whether it just be just playing around from stop light to stop light, or in a full blown "race". And the more people you get together the more likely a person with bad judgement will show up. And yes, I've seen it at the track too, but it is minor and usually dealt with harshly. For me (and many others) its just not worth going up against some random jackass who probably thinks he's got something to prove. On the other hand, when you go to a track, you are way more likely to find skilled drivers and most everyone leaves their ego at the gate. So more likely then not, you can just have fun and not worry about going up against some idiot who will risk your life and theirs.

[Kevin M]

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Just an FYI, in case you cared, NEAC was a "tuner shop" here in town, that was in NO WAY affiliated with this group. I know the former owner, and he was frankly kinda pissed that they bit his shop's name!

Ah, thanks for clarifying. I met a guy at Sid's once who gave me a NEAC card. Had a DC Integra, kidna ricy, but seemed a decent guy. I had a hard time convincing him I didn't need a hookup on intakes and lowering springs though.

[AtomicLabMonkey]

Originally Posted by nKoan

...and most everyone leaves their ego at the gate.

Unless it's a competitive race event. Wheel to wheel racers can be some of the cockiest people in the world.