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EJ22
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Some gamers claim that the controller is faster than the wheel because it allows faster corrections. Even if the controller was faster around the track, I wouldn't use it. I like GT4 because in some ways it's a lot like driving, and I don't drive with joysticks.
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The Doink
Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Portland, OR
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Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata
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The line in to T5 was what made all the difference in my lap times. I took the idea that the straight between T5 and T6 is so short, there's no reason to try to keep my speed up, so I started trying to extend my top speed run down the back straight into T5 as much as possible. Turns out you don't really give up much, as I was still getting into 5th gear before T6. T6 is still the hardest corner for me. It seems like sometimes I'll drive it exactly the same way, but the car pushes and won't come back to the 2nd apex, othertimes I'm all over the curb too early. It takes very tiny input differences at turn in to make huge differences in what you can do with the car on exit. I think that corner would be a lot easier if the game allowed you to turn your head and look at the track-out of the corner... it's hard to make those tiny mid-corner corrections based on the track directly ahead of the car. Same goes for the hairpin. Driving aids suck... according to the game, they use the ABS system to control traction, understeer and oversteer... so by definition you can't be as fast with them as you can be without since you're turning some of the power that should be accelerating the car into hot brakes. Even spinning the wheels, you seem to accelerate faster w/ TC off than with it on. And the push/spin assistance just makes the car react inconsistantly IMO. I always turn them off. However, the rules of the challenge allow people to turn them on if they want 'em. Same goes w/ the auto tranny... it's there if you want it, but I think it slows you down in the long run. The Miata is a really fun car in GT. Low power, so you *have* to be smooth. Plus it oversteers very consistantly and controlably... but don't drift it too much or you can't accelerate! It's all about finding the optimal slip-angle for each corner so the car will turn well without bogging and losing power. The only thing I really wish we could change is the shift time between gears... shifting mid-corner takes so long the car decelerates, shifts weight forward and starts to oversteer! ![]()
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#528 |
EJ207
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Reno/Sparks, Nevada
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Car: 2000 2.5RS
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I don't understand why GT doesn't have ABS. You know that book that came out for it? I think it's a Prima guide, well anyway it says to use "poor mans ABS" and tap the brake repeatedly. HOW STUPID, for a "real" driving simulator that's freakin retarded.
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EJ207
Join Date: Apr 2005
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WHAT?! Are you sure? My book (the official stategy guide, its pretty gay don't get it) says the game doesn't have it, and yeah it's hard to lock up the tires, but you never feel the ABS. I dunno how you'd feel it grab the brakes in a game though.
Actually I lock up the tires in race cars a lot. I'll like brake super hard and crank the wheel and the car just goes straight into the gravel with tires screeeeeching. Sometimes when I need to break real quick or if I need to save my car from going off track I tap the brake repeatedly and it stops a lot better. Poo mans ABS, coined by Gran Turismo itself (lame).
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EJ22
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Join Date: Aug 2003
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Yeah, the Miata is VERY touchy. You're going to find that your fastest laptimes will be without tire squeel mid-corner. Have fun! Gary Sheehan Motor Racing www.teamSMR.com |
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Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005
Location: Californication
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But if I ever get to the point where I feel like I'm actually on the right line, I'll upload a video of my lap so you guys can critique me. Thanks for the offer. |
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#534 |
EJ22
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 160
Car: 05 LGT 02 WRX
Class: SM
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after 15 laps my best is only 1'49.180
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And I don't think you're giving up anything by stomp braking in the game Gary. If the car's going straight, I've never had the tires lock up by putting the pedal on the floor. Pulsing the brakes might help avoid understeer if you're trying to brake at the limit and turn, but if you're having to do that, you're just going too fast into the corner IMO.
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#536 |
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I'm rolling off the brake after turn-in anyway, so it's not been an issue.
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Candy Mountain
Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005
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First post is updated. Please let me know if everything looks Kosher.
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Damn that's a lot of fun! I've never used this track or this car before.
1'56.200 is my best out of 23 laps. |
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Oh, and I tried overlapping break and throttle and it really seemed to help settle the chassis when the car understeered.
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#541 |
EJ22
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Finally broke into the 47.
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Damn Bemani, that's fast. I'll put some more laps in tonight. If I can break into the 1'52's tonight, I'll be stoked.
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EJ251
Real Name: Dean W. Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: So close to hell you can see Sparks!
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Car: 1992 F250 1T Monster
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Ok I set my car and game up to this challenge, and lets just say I was all thumbs. I did a 30 lap run with Soft Tires, 187hp, Automatic, my first 15 or so laps avg'd around 2.48.whatever whittled it down to 2.14.whatever..at the finish. But I can only say one thing.....Uh Oh....better get maaco. This controller sucks, cant wait till I get my steering wheel......I would love to know what you are running when you use the normal controller rather than the steering wheel.
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Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002
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Everyone keeps asking what the wheel guys are running with the controller... frankly, you're not gonna get an answer... if you're used to the wheel you won't ever bother going back to the controller. It's like long time skiiers that try to take up snowboarding... why waste a day on the mountain falling on your butt when you could be flying down the hill on skis.
If you're waiting for my times with the controller vs. the wheel to help you decided if a wheel is worth it, you're wasting your time. Figure 1 second slower for every 10 seconds per lap... I hate the controller for driving games, and haven't used one since 1998. I *suck* with the controller. So I guess you should just go get one 'cause you'll be 12 seconds a lap faster, right?
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Real Name: Cody Join Date: May 2005
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Dean, you may want to try earning some licenses in GT mode to help you get the feel for the game. They helped me a lot...but they were a lot easier once I got my wheel.
1:54.508 is my best lap out of the 27 I did tonight. I'll go do a couple laps with the controller and let you know what I get Dean. |
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Ha, funny you should use the ski/snowboard analogy Scott. My buddy who used to always kick my ass on skis has taken up boarding and it sucked waiting for his slow ass all last Sunday when he came up.
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Ok, 11th lap with the controller, I ran a 1:58.372. That's an extra 3.864 seconds (about 3.4% more time). It really doesn't prove anything though; I only ran 11 laps and my wheel isn't the best.
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#548 |
EJ22
Join Date: Feb 2004
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I just did 3 laps with the controller, 1'49.304. My steering wheel time is 1'47.953 after 35 laps or so.
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#549 |
EJ207
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Reno/Sparks, Nevada
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I used Cody's wheel for a few laps last time I was over there, and I felt like I was retarded. Not because of the wheel, but because I wasn't used to it. I know though that if I kept practicing I'd get better at it, but for those few laps I was all over the place.
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