Crazy swaps? (attn Bob-o) - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2006-12-06, 09:50 AM

Since I'm bored as hell, let's talk about motor swaps for racecars.

Specifically, something cheap, light, and fast. Doesn't have to be pretty, doesn't have to have any creature-comforts... just a fast-ass track car that's cheap to operate.

My gut tells me that a Chevy small block 350 motor swapped into a RWD Japanese car is the way to go... Datsun 240/260/280's are popular, RX-7's too. What about an old Corolla? Bob, you've had a few, what sorta room is there under the hood of those things? You think the chassis would be able to handle all that twist... not that it would matter too much, since I'd cage the whole thing...

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Anyway... someone entertain me w/ ideas.

AtomicLabMonkey · 2006-12-06, 10:18 AM

Don't you have a gaming cockpit to be building or something?

MPREZIV · 2006-12-06, 10:22 AM

I actually L'ed O L at your math equation there Scott...

The 240/260/280 small block swap is SUPER common, simply because there's TONS of room in there. Hell, often more than in some of the vehicles Chevy put that motor in! (see: Corvette)

I think the trick would be to put it into something that wouldn't WAY F* up the balance of the car. The Nissan straight 6 is a BRICK, so it's not a huge issue in the 260/280 shell, but would a Trueno suffer from too much weight over the front tires? The SB isn't THAT heavy by comparison to some motors, but I'd guess much more than what the car was equipped with...

I don't really have any better ideas off the top of my head, but there's MY input on the current one!

MPREZIV · 2006-12-06, 10:33 AM

Imagine this bitch with a wide body...!

MPREZIV · 2006-12-06, 10:59 AM

Old Skool Datsun Roadster!

There's a guy running around with one of these here in town... it's kinda hacked tho...

Sorry for the 3 posts in a row, I'm kinda bored today at work too...

zpeed · 2006-12-06, 11:05 AM

Back in my country we use Toyota engine 1J or 2J Series on almost any engine swap car. Cheap engine with ton of parts. My friend have a BMW 325 with 2J turbo. Too bad that not the case here and I know nothing about Ford or Chevy engine. I only know cc not ci.

Bob Danger · 2006-12-06, 11:13 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the oil sump on a 350 located on the rear of the engine? If that's the case I don't think it'll fit in the car with the stock crossmember. The 4ag has a front sump, just like a Ford 302.

Without a proper cage, and structural reinforcements that amount of torque would tear the unibody to shreds.

khail19 · 2006-12-06, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Danger

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the oil sump on a 350 located on the rear of the engine? If that's the case I don't think it'll fit in the car with the stock crossmember. The 4ag has a front sump, just like a Ford 302.

Without a proper cage, and structural reinforcements that amount of torque would tear the unibody to shreds.

So a 302 will fit then? Cause that means a 351 will fit too.

I think Cory's right though, you'd have to really beef up the front suspension on a Corolla to handle the extra weight. Then you're messing up the handling balance that the car is famous for.

One of my old room mates had a 240Z, and there was tons of room under the hood. It felt like I could lay down in there and close the hood still (with the engine removed).

MorganK · 2006-12-06, 12:40 PM

http://hinsonsupercars.com/

NevadaSTi · 2006-12-06, 02:25 PM

I've heard of people putting Ford 302's into Ford Pinto's before. One article said it could out accelerate an original AC Cobra.

Kevin M · 2006-12-06, 03:00 PM

My old Celica had plenty of room for a V8 swap (or 2JZ with NAS

) but it was heavier than a Z car, so I dunno if it would be worth it.

One sweet one is a highly modded OG Morris Mini with a Type-R swap or whatever... but really, any of the tiny fwd econoboxes from the late 80s and early 90s would do, like a Metro or Fiesta or Swift. You could strip and cage one down to probably 1700 pounds, and a mild FI'd ~2 liter I4 would make it plenty fast.

Kevin M · 2006-12-06, 03:02 PM

Okay here's one- 4 rotor into a StarQuest.

That one should be fun... if you're a chassis designer and builder who can actually pull it off.

MorganK · 2006-12-06, 04:06 PM

Gsxr1100/Toyota 8"/Honda chassis

kidatari · 2006-12-06, 08:35 PM

My vote is for something rotary, just because the thought of a wankel-powered AE86 makes my pants tight.

Kevin M · 2006-12-06, 08:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eF2n6LmM0M

Bob Danger · 2006-12-06, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khail19

I think Cory's right though, you'd have to really beef up the front suspension on a Corolla to handle the extra weight. Then you're messing up the handling balance that the car is famous for.

I had that problem with the FX, the added wieght of the 20 valve made the front end sit much lower than it should.

sperry · 2006-12-07, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BAN SUVS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eF2n6LmM0M

Is there a car in there somewhere? All I see is a patchwork quilt flapping.

Bob Danger · 2006-12-07, 11:09 AM

What I'm starting to see alot of is the F20 out of the early S2000s in the 86s.

Kevin M · 2006-12-07, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperry

Is there a car in there somewhere? All I see is a patchwork quilt flapping.

Yeah, that video is even worse quality than what I had on my hard drive. But it's still worth it for the engine noise at the end, and 4 Japanese nerds screaming their heads off.

Libila · 2006-12-08, 05:23 AM

260 hp, 300 ft/lb tq, 1,500 pounds

http://www.bruntonauto.com/Builders/builder.htm

left footed whooten · 2006-12-08, 06:28 AM

510 with a Buick V8. Some folks had a rad one in the bay when I used to autocross. Probably still run it.

Duckie · 2006-12-09, 10:20 AM

My dad used to roll around on a chevy small block Z car. Really fun on the straights and really retarded around the corners (unless your keen on destroying your tires and setting up the car to drift properly).

vegaswarped · 2006-12-22, 06:36 PM

I've heard of a place called Wagonwerks, where they prep VW beetle bodys for Chevy 350s. Then mod it to look like an old Hot-rod.

Kevin M · 2006-12-22, 07:07 PM

So they've completely alienated 3 distinct camps of enthusiasts. Well done!

bruspeed · 2006-12-25, 09:43 AM

My vote goes to some type of motorcylce engine, preferably an older carb'd one, and my dad's Austin healy sprite. While not super car fast, 10,000 Rpm at every shift would make it seem a hell of alot faster than it is.

2006-12-06, 09:50 AM	#1
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Crazy swaps? (attn Bob-o) Since I'm bored as hell, let's talk about motor swaps for racecars. Specifically, something cheap, light, and fast. Doesn't have to be pretty, doesn't have to have any creature-comforts... just a fast-ass track car that's cheap to operate. My gut tells me that a Chevy small block 350 motor swapped into a RWD Japanese car is the way to go... Datsun 240/260/280's are popular, RX-7's too. What about an old Corolla? Bob, you've had a few, what sorta room is there under the hood of those things? You think the chassis would be able to handle all that twist... not that it would matter too much, since I'd cage the whole thing... + = ? Anyway... someone entertain me w/ ideas. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2006-12-06, 10:18 AM	#2
AtomicLabMonkey Nightwalker Real Name: Austin Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Oshkosh, WI Posts: 4,063 Car: '13 WRX YGBSM	Don't you have a gaming cockpit to be building or something? __________________ "None of you seem to understand. I'm not locked in here with you.. you're locked in here with me."

2006-12-06, 10:22 AM	#3
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	I actually L'ed O L at your math equation there Scott... The 240/260/280 small block swap is SUPER common, simply because there's TONS of room in there. Hell, often more than in some of the vehicles Chevy put that motor in! (see: Corvette) I think the trick would be to put it into something that wouldn't WAY F* up the balance of the car. The Nissan straight 6 is a BRICK, so it's not a huge issue in the 260/280 shell, but would a Trueno suffer from too much weight over the front tires? The SB isn't THAT heavy by comparison to some motors, but I'd guess much more than what the car was equipped with... I don't really have any better ideas off the top of my head, but there's MY input on the current one! __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2006-12-06, 10:33 AM	#4
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Imagine this bitch with a wide body...! __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2006-12-06, 10:59 AM	#5
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Old Skool Datsun Roadster! There's a guy running around with one of these here in town... it's kinda hacked tho... Sorry for the 3 posts in a row, I'm kinda bored today at work too... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2006-12-06, 11:05 AM	#6
zpeed EJ251 Real Name: Nat S Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reno, NV USA Posts: 743 Car: 06 S2000 Class: RNP & PDX	Back in my country we use Toyota engine 1J or 2J Series on almost any engine swap car. Cheap engine with ton of parts. My friend have a BMW 325 with 2J turbo. Too bad that not the case here and I know nothing about Ford or Chevy engine. I only know cc not ci.

2006-12-06, 11:13 AM	#7
Bob Danger Tape Terrorist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melmac Posts: 1,792 Car: ? Class: Retired! Warning: Prolonged eye contact may cause insanity	Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the oil sump on a 350 located on the rear of the engine? If that's the case I don't think it'll fit in the car with the stock crossmember. The 4ag has a front sump, just like a Ford 302. Without a proper cage, and structural reinforcements that amount of torque would tear the unibody to shreds. __________________ A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.

2006-12-06, 12:40 PM	#9
MorganK EJ22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 155	http://hinsonsupercars.com/

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NevadaSTi EJ251 Real Name: Brian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minden, Nv. Posts: 989 Car: 1994 Toyota 4Runner Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once	I've heard of people putting Ford 302's into Ford Pinto's before. One article said it could out accelerate an original AC Cobra. __________________ The last living thing on earth will be me. I'll step on the last cockroach.

2006-12-06, 03:00 PM	#11
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	My old Celica had plenty of room for a V8 swap (or 2JZ with NAS ) but it was heavier than a Z car, so I dunno if it would be worth it. One sweet one is a highly modded OG Morris Mini with a Type-R swap or whatever... but really, any of the tiny fwd econoboxes from the late 80s and early 90s would do, like a Metro or Fiesta or Swift. You could strip and cage one down to probably 1700 pounds, and a mild FI'd ~2 liter I4 would make it plenty fast. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-12-06, 03:02 PM	#12
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Okay here's one- 4 rotor into a StarQuest. That one should be fun... if you're a chassis designer and builder who can actually pull it off. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-12-06, 04:06 PM	#13
MorganK EJ22 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 155	Gsxr1100/Toyota 8"/Honda chassis

2006-12-06, 08:35 PM	#14
kidatari EJ22 Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 291 Class: Low lol internet.	My vote is for something rotary, just because the thought of a wankel-powered AE86 makes my pants tight.

2006-12-06, 08:54 PM	#15
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eF2n6LmM0M __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-12-07, 11:09 AM	#18
Bob Danger Tape Terrorist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Melmac Posts: 1,792 Car: ? Class: Retired! Warning: Prolonged eye contact may cause insanity	What I'm starting to see alot of is the F20 out of the early S2000s in the 86s. __________________ A fronte praecipitium a tergo lupi.

2006-12-08, 05:23 AM	#20
Libila EJ205 Real Name: Tim Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 1,384 Car: '94 L	260 hp, 300 ft/lb tq, 1,500 pounds http://www.bruntonauto.com/Builders/builder.htm

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left footed whooten EJ251 Real Name: Dylan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Truckee Posts: 539 Car: 06 WRX wagon CGM Class: Stuck working weekends	510 with a Buick V8. Some folks had a rad one in the bay when I used to autocross. Probably still run it. __________________ I'd rather drink muddy water and sleep in a hollow log

2006-12-09, 10:20 AM	#22
Duckie EJ22 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Reno Posts: 309	My dad used to roll around on a chevy small block Z car. Really fun on the straights and really retarded around the corners (unless your keen on destroying your tires and setting up the car to drift properly). __________________ quack

2006-12-22, 06:36 PM	#23
vegaswarped n00b Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountainhome AFB, idaho Posts: 4 Car: 96 Pimpreza Brighton Class: none right now Like I have any athourity over that?!	I've heard of a place called Wagonwerks, where they prep VW beetle bodys for Chevy 350s. Then mod it to look like an old Hot-rod. __________________ http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,V...hite,black.png

2006-12-22, 07:07 PM	#24
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	So they've completely alienated 3 distinct camps of enthusiasts. Well done! __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2006-12-25, 09:43 AM	#25
bruspeed EJ251 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sparks Posts: 526 Car: 2005 2.5 rs cgm Class: TDSP	My vote goes to some type of motorcylce engine, preferably an older carb'd one, and my dad's Austin healy sprite. While not super car fast, 10,000 Rpm at every shift would make it seem a hell of alot faster than it is. __________________ Can anybody fly this thing?

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