Okay, now what? (sperry's motor tear-down thread) - Subaru Enthusiasts Car Club of the Sierras

sperry · 2007-08-15, 09:10 PM

The engine is ready to come out... except, there's no goddamn place to lift it from!

Van, how do you chain that bitch up? The hooks are way too large to hook on anything on the motor, and there's only the one decent looking spot next to the alternator. The shop manual shows a "wire rope" attached to hooks that simply don't exist on the motor... am I supposed to have some stupid metric screw in hooks or something?

I tried to use a strap looped over the intake manifold, but after putting some tension on it, I could hear the straps tearing since the sides of the manifold are sharp.

So seriously, WTF?

And why is it so impossible to find a single picture of a WRX motor being lifted out of a car? Google, ScoobyMods and NASIOC are all failing me. This is pissing me off.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-08-15, 09:37 PM

I just saw a group of pics of people putting an engine in a wrx. I'll search for you since your such a noob.

100_Percent_Juice · 2007-08-15, 09:51 PM

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ht=engine+swap
There you go.

Kevin M · 2007-08-15, 09:53 PM

Scott, the NA motors I've done have had one loop on the back passenger side of the manifold, and the AC pump bracket on the other is meant to be used as a lift point. Also, I went down to the hardware store and bought 2 small clevices to attach to the rope hoist. Two lengths of 1/2" rope should be sufficient to lift the motor if you can't make chain work, or don't have any. In the two attached pics you can see the eyelet on the back, just above the ring gear on the passenger side, and the AC bracket next to the alternator. The EJ20 may not use these exact lift points, but I can say with certainty that your motor has 2 similar lift points... unless your AC delete removed the forward one.

Kevin M · 2007-08-15, 10:05 PM

This might help provide an answer too:

Looks like the back/passenger lifting point is the intercooler bracket, which you have probably removed sometime since you went to the front mount.

Joeyy · 2007-08-16, 03:16 AM

We used a cable on the RS.

cody · 2007-08-16, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 100_Percent_Juice

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ht=engine+swap
There you go.

Just don't slit your wrist open like Nick (White Out) did. Yick.

MattR · 2007-08-16, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cody

Just don't slit your wrist open like Nick (White Out) did. Yick.

Hahah. I love the reply "Quit being so Emo and finish the car"...

sperry · 2007-08-16, 08:19 AM

Thanks for the help folks.

I was able to figure it out enough to make it happen last night like 10 minutes after I posted.

The only other roadblock was that I had to take the clutch off the flywheel to get it to mount to the engine stand (not enough room between the stand's mounting screws and the flywheel). That was a PITA with the motor hanging from the lift.

sperry · 2007-08-16, 04:38 PM

Now that I'm finally out of that class, I can post this:

I'm pretty sure turbo's aren't supposed to look like that.

I'm afraid of what I'm going to find when I crack the block...

MPREZIV · 2007-08-16, 04:41 PM

Holy bad...

Nick Koan · 2007-08-16, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MPREZIV

Holy bad...

Yeah

damn.

van · 2007-08-16, 04:56 PM

ouch....you gonna work on it sunday night?

wrxkidid · 2007-08-16, 04:57 PM

shitty air filter ftl?

sperry · 2007-08-16, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kidnappervan

ouch....you gonna work on it sunday night?

I'll be in Monterey Sunday.

sperry · 2007-08-16, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrxkidid

shitty air filter ftl?

Who knows.

ShawnS · 2007-08-16, 06:00 PM

Looks like you have a new cheese grater.

MattR · 2007-08-16, 06:28 PM

Damn , it looks like you sucked a child thru there.

Dean · 2007-08-16, 09:17 PM

That's the leading edge/input of the compressor side, right?

What the heck could have gotten in there? Did your cone filter fall off at some point?

sperry · 2007-08-16, 09:18 PM

I took the oil pan off... all sorts of little metal bits in there... I'm guessing rod bearing chunks, if not pieces of ring lands. I just hope the heads are okay. Once I get the timing gear off, I'll pull the heads.

Dean · 2007-08-16, 09:26 PM

I'm betting rings and maybe bits of piston.

Kevin M · 2007-08-16, 11:00 PM

How would reciprocating assembly bits find their way to the compressor side? :confused: Via blowby?

Dean · 2007-08-16, 11:08 PM

My bet is what failed in the block and is in the oil.

I have no idea what got sucked into the front of the compressor other than a nut or bolt of some form or a handful of gravel.

sperry · 2007-08-17, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean

My bet is what failed in the block and is in the oil.

I have no idea what got sucked into the front of the compressor other than a nut or bolt of some form or a handful of gravel.

There's video on YouTube of that handful of gravel.

But seriously, earlier this season my air filter was too close to the tire and would pop loose at full lock turning... I had to add a 45deg elbow to the end of the intake to get the filter clear. The damage may have been done at the 1st event of the season before I realized the problem and fixed it.

sperry · 2007-08-17, 07:59 AM

I'm stuck pulling the timing gears off the motor. Last time this happened, Cory and I tried to leave the timing belt on and yank the gear... but that didn't work and as the gear would slip the belt before the bolt came loose. And I'm having the same problem this time.

So, instead of getting out the chain wrench and destroying the timing gears (which won't be $30 like last time, since those AVCS gears have got to be *expensive*) I think I need to find the real-deal Subaru retainer wrenches.

Anyone know where to get 'em, hopefully w/o having to pay $200 for 'em or something? Cory or Jeremy, can you get 'em via your professional connections?

2007-08-15, 09:10 PM	#1
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Okay, now what? (sperry's motor tear-down thread) The engine is ready to come out... except, there's no goddamn place to lift it from! Van, how do you chain that bitch up? The hooks are way too large to hook on anything on the motor, and there's only the one decent looking spot next to the alternator. The shop manual shows a "wire rope" attached to hooks that simply don't exist on the motor... am I supposed to have some stupid metric screw in hooks or something? I tried to use a strap looped over the intake manifold, but after putting some tension on it, I could hear the straps tearing since the sides of the manifold are sharp. So seriously, WTF? And why is it so impossible to find a single picture of a WRX motor being lifted out of a car? Google, ScoobyMods and NASIOC are all failing me. This is pissing me off. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2007-08-15, 09:37 PM	#2
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	I just saw a group of pics of people putting an engine in a wrx. I'll search for you since your such a noob. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-08-15, 09:51 PM	#3
100_Percent_Juice (40 percent vodka) Real Name: Joel Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 4,446 Car: 2004WRX Class: Baby-Hauler/GroceryGetter	http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ht=engine+swap There you go. __________________ "A power nap is when you sleep on someone who is weaker than you." - Dimitri Martin

2007-08-15, 09:53 PM	#4
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	Scott, the NA motors I've done have had one loop on the back passenger side of the manifold, and the AC pump bracket on the other is meant to be used as a lift point. Also, I went down to the hardware store and bought 2 small clevices to attach to the rope hoist. Two lengths of 1/2" rope should be sufficient to lift the motor if you can't make chain work, or don't have any. In the two attached pics you can see the eyelet on the back, just above the ring gear on the passenger side, and the AC bracket next to the alternator. The EJ20 may not use these exact lift points, but I can say with certainty that your motor has 2 similar lift points... unless your AC delete removed the forward one. Attached Thumbnails __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-08-15, 10:05 PM	#5
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	This might help provide an answer too: Looks like the back/passenger lifting point is the intercooler bracket, which you have probably removed sometime since you went to the front mount. __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-08-16, 03:16 AM	#6
Joeyy i can has kart? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: CA Posts: 1,228	We used a cable on the RS. Attached Images

2007-08-16, 08:19 AM	#9
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Thanks for the help folks. I was able to figure it out enough to make it happen last night like 10 minutes after I posted. The only other roadblock was that I had to take the clutch off the flywheel to get it to mount to the engine stand (not enough room between the stand's mounting screws and the flywheel). That was a PITA with the motor hanging from the lift. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2007-08-16, 04:38 PM	#10
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	Now that I'm finally out of that class, I can post this: I'm pretty sure turbo's aren't supposed to look like that. I'm afraid of what I'm going to find when I crack the block... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2007-08-16, 04:41 PM	#11
MPREZIV Token Real Name: Le Stig Afrique? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sitting next to a big yellow box Posts: 3,589 Car: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Class: 05 TDSP No, I won't work on your car. F your car*	Holy bad... __________________ "...these condoms have a topical anesthetic to reduce sensitivity, so you can last longer. What a paradox. You can't feel a thing, but you can f*ck for HOURS..."

2007-08-16, 04:56 PM	#13
van SECCS Brewmeister Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: on the edge of a marsh Posts: 1,451	ouch....you gonna work on it sunday night?

2007-08-16, 04:57 PM	#14
wrxkidid EJ205 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Incline Village, NV Posts: 1,232 Car: 1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ltd. 5.7l Class: None :/ Cory, just put a 4g63 in it.	shitty air filter ftl? __________________ Mosey down the road.

2007-08-16, 06:00 PM	#17
ShawnS EJ251 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 540 Car: 1995 S14 Zenki	Looks like you have a new cheese grater. __________________ Either this boy has a light bulb up his ass, or his colon has a bright idea.

2007-08-16, 06:28 PM	#18
MattR El Matador Real Name: Matt Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 10,660 Car: 2012 Toyota Tacoma Class: ?	Damn , it looks like you sucked a child thru there. __________________ "Dallas..We have a problem.”

2007-08-16, 09:17 PM	#19
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	That's the leading edge/input of the compressor side, right? What the heck could have gotten in there? Did your cone filter fall off at some point? __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-08-16, 09:18 PM	#20
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	I took the oil pan off... all sorts of little metal bits in there... I'm guessing rod bearing chunks, if not pieces of ring lands. I just hope the heads are okay. Once I get the timing gear off, I'll pull the heads. __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

2007-08-16, 09:26 PM	#21
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	I'm betting rings and maybe bits of piston. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-08-16, 11:00 PM	#22
Kevin M EJ22T Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Reno Posts: 9,445 Car: '93/'01 GF6, mostly red Class: 19 FP	How would reciprocating assembly bits find their way to the compressor side? :confused: Via blowby? __________________ FWD is the new AWD

2007-08-16, 11:08 PM	#23
Dean Señor Cheap Bastarde Real Name: Dean Join Date: May 2003 Location: $99 Tire Store Posts: 9,294 Car: $.04 STI Class: Fast,Cheap & Reliable=STI Deal, did somebody say Deal? Oh, Dean, yeah that's me.	My bet is what failed in the block and is in the oil. I have no idea what got sucked into the front of the compressor other than a nut or bolt of some form or a handful of gravel. __________________ I am a Commodore PET --- Now get off my lawn you kids...

2007-08-17, 07:59 AM	#25
sperry The Doink Real Name: Scott Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 20,335 Car: '09 OBXT, '02 WRX, '96 Miata Class: PDX/TT-6 The way out is through	I'm stuck pulling the timing gears off the motor. Last time this happened, Cory and I tried to leave the timing belt on and yank the gear... but that didn't work and as the gear would slip the belt before the bolt came loose. And I'm having the same problem this time. So, instead of getting out the chain wrench and destroying the timing gears (which won't be $30 like last time, since those AVCS gears have got to be expensive) I think I need to find the real-deal Subaru retainer wrenches. Anyone know where to get 'em, hopefully w/o having to pay $200 for 'em or something? Cory or Jeremy, can you get 'em via your professional connections? __________________ Is you is, or is you ain't, my con-stit-u-ints?

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